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Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011, 10:38 P

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1. Fire targeted Sikh-owned shop in Clay County From: J.S.Tiwana 2. Sikh students locked out of Vancouver school From: J.S.Tiwana 3. Global Potential of Our Community From: J.S.Tiwana 4. Back From Afghanistan, Sikh-Canadian Takes Command of Canadian Regim From: J.S.Tiwana 5. Capt Amarinder asks Makkar to explain Rs 1.62 cr fuel expense in a y From: J.S.Tiwana 6. Centre to reassess its stand on Anand Marriage Act issue From: J.S.Tiwana 7. Lady beats gender bias, wins property battle From: J.S.Tiwana 8a. All information on Indian Elections From: J.S.Tiwana 9a. Re: Sehajdhari is in the 1925 Act From: devinder1932 9b. Re: Sehajdhari is in the 1925 Act From: cjs sidhu 10a. Translators of AGGS From: virinder g 10b. Re: Translators of AGGS From: asingh 11. Turban-wearing peer vows to fight prejudice From: J.S.Tiwana 12. Hockey hero’s mother needs loan to cook biryani for her son From: J.S.Tiwana 13. Hockey players refuse to take Rs. 25,000 cash prize From: J.S.Tiwana
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Fire targeted Sikh-owned shop in Clay County

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:06 pm (PDT)

Fire targeted Sikh-owned shop in Clay County

9:45 PM, Sep. 12, 2011

HAYESVILLE н Authorities are investigating a
possible hate crime at a small grocery store in
rural Clay County near the Georgia line.

Someone set fire to State Line Grocery on N.C. 69
and spray-painted У911 Go HomeФ on the outside of the shop.

The owners are Sikh, according to the Southern
Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate crimes
nationally. The owners could not be be reached Monday.

SheriffТs Deputy Todd Wingate said the
investigation is Уstill in the early stages.Ф An
accelerant was used to start the fire, he said.

The State Bureau of Investigation assisted with
the arson part of the case, said agency spokeswoman Noelle Talley.

It is not handling the suspected hate crime aspect, she said.

An FBI official in Charlotte would not say
whether a federal investigation is under way.

A sheriffТs deputy was the first on the scene of
the early Wednesday morning fire and used an
extinguisher and a garden hose on the blaze until the fire department arrived.

Sandeep Amy Kaur, staff attorney at the New
York-based Sikh Coalition, said the group is
monitoring law enforcement response to the crime
and has been in touch with the FBI.

Attacks against Sikhs are on the rise, according to the law center.

Sikhs are often viewed with suspicion and as
potential terrorists because their religion
requires unshorn hair, beards and turbans, Kaur said.

УThat is what we have to combat,Ф she said.

Her group was created after the Sept. 11, 2001,
attacks to stop violence against Sikhs through education.

More than 25 million people worldwide follow the Sikh faith.

Sikhism was revealed to Guru Nanak more than 500
years ago in the Punjab region, which boarders Pakistan and India.

The faith, according to the coalitionТs website
Уpreaches a message of devotion, remembrance of
God at all times, truthful living, equality
between all human beings, social justice, while
emphatically denouncing superstitions and blind rituals.Ф

http://www.citizen- times.com/ article/20110913 /NEWS/309120057/ Fire-probed- hate-crime? odyssey=tab|topnews|text| Frontpage

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Sikh students locked out of Vancouver school

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:06 pm (PDT)

Sikh students locked out of Vancouver school

September 11, 2011 by ctv news Source:
<http://www.ctvbc. ctv.ca/servlet/ an/local/ CTVNews/20110906 /bc_sikh_ lockout_110906/ 20110906/ ?hub=BritishColu mbiaHome>www.ctvbc.ctv. ca

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<http://www.ctvbc. ctv.ca/servlet/ an/local/ CTVNews/20110906 /bc_sikh_ lockout_110906/ 20110906/ ?hub=BritishColu mbiaHome>Watch
news video here

As most British Columbian students returned to school Tuesday,
children at one South Vancouver elementary school were faced with an
unexpected lockout.

Parents whose children were enrolled at Guru Nanak Elementary School,
a private Sikh school, were shocked to find a padlock on the front
gate when they dropped their children off this morning.

For five years, the school was run by the Khalsa Diwan Society but on
Monday night temple executive members suddenly voted to close the school down.

The shutdown affects 73 students.

Parent Sukh Gusal waited outside the facility with his daughter
Hargunh for three hours waiting for answers.

Gusal said Hargunh, who is entering Grade 4, had spent several days
preparing for school and was disappointed that she couldn’t get in.

“She was excited to meet her teacher. When we came we saw everything
was locked up. All the parents are frustrated,” he said.

Amar Singh Sandhu believes the decision to shut down the school has
to do with money.

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“I think they want a bigger income source than they have now, which
is wrong, because the school shouldn’t be shut down,” Sandhu said.

“The original founders of the society really promoted education.”

Led by Principal Devinder Maan, many of the parents marched into the
temple to speak to the society president, Kashmir Dhaliwal.

Dhaliwal said the committee locked the building because the lease
expired in July.

He insisted that all of the parents were notified about the pending
closure in 2009, an assertion that was answered with shouts of “no,
no, no,” from protesting parents.

“They already have the notice that lease has expired,” Dhaliwal said,
adding that all the parents had been served with written notices.

A memo from the Khalsa Society dated Sept. 16, 2009, does outline the
July lease expiry, although it’s unclear if the notice was received by parents.

When asked where the locked-out students would go to school, society
Secretary Ranjit Hayere said he is not responsible for the parents or children.

“It is their problem. It is up to the parents and principal to tell
them where to go,” he said.

“And if I am their position I would have arranged for my kid to go somewhere.”

The school, which offers specialized Sikh studies alongside
traditional curriculum, was approved by the province to operate until
at least 2014.

The B.C. Education Ministry says Guru Nanak receives 50 per cent of
its funding from the government.

http://www.sikhnet. com/news/ sikh-students- locked-out- vancouver- school

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Global Potential of Our Community

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:10 pm (PDT)

September 12, 2011
by Dr. Narinder S. Kapany
http://www.sikhfoun dation.org/

Global Potential of Our Community

As the third part of our series on the Transnational Punjabis in the
21st century, we feature Dr. Kapany’s keynote presentation at the
University of Fraser Valley Conference entitled “Global Potential of
Our Community.”

The last time Dr. Kapany had given a speech at the University of
Fraser Valley, it was the fall of 1984, soon after the crisis created
by the government of India attacking the Golden Temple under the
direction of Indira Gandhi. There was a senior member of the Canadian
Parliament present at the conference who was so moved by this speech
and learning the plight of Sikhs in India therefore requested a copy
of the speech to be distributed to all of Parliamentarians in Canada.

History of Punjab and Sikhs

Almost three decades later, things have changed considerably. Setting
the stage, the address began with the rich history of Punjab and
Sikhs which goes back thousands of years with great wars, beautiful
arts, great cultural developments, phenomenal agriculture, charming
poetry, and new religious heritage for which Sikhs are known.

As many are aware, our ancestors fought the last war of Alexander the
Great. They also fought numerous other wars when raiders have come to
India and have stopped them. The earliest educational system came
from Punjab. The earliest religious systems of the world were born in
the Far East including the birth of our 10 Gurus who taught us the
oneness of God, equality of mankind and womankind, hard work, and
charity. Extremely important was mandated the respect for all other
religions, as opposed to most other religions that are interested in
converting you to their food of thought. In fact if you look at our
Guru Granth Sahib, you’ll find a large number of translations from
Hindu and Muslim saints.

To read the full story please click on the line below :

http://www.sikhfoun dation.org/ 2011/sikh- punjabi-language -studies/ global-potential -of-our-communit y-by-dr.- narinder- s.-kapany/

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Back From Afghanistan, Sikh-Canadian Takes Command of Canadian Regim

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:10 pm (PDT)

Back From Afghanistan, Sikh-Canadian Takes Command of Canadian Regiment

NEWS REPORTS

In a history making ceremony, a change of command in the British
Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught’s Own) took place on Sunday,
September 11, 2011, at the Beatty Street Armoury in Vancouver,
British Columbia, Canada.

Lt.-Col. Bruce Kadanoff relinquished command of the regiment to
Lt.-Col. Harjit Singh Sajjan, who has taken over as Commanding
Officer of the Regiment.

Lt.-Col. Harjit Singh joined the British Columbia Regiment as a
Trooper in 1989 and was commissioned in the Regiment in 1991. He was
promoted to Captain in 1995 and to Major in 2005. He has served in
Bosnia-Herzegovina as well as three deployments to Afghanistan.

Most recently, in November 2010, he was requested to serve in
Afghanistan as the Special Assistant to U.S. Army Major-General James
Terry, Commanding General of the 10th Mountain Division and
Commander of Regional Command South.

The British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught’s Own) is a Primary
Reserve armoured reconnaissance (recce) regiment of the Canadian
Forces; the regiment is subordinate to 39 Canadian Brigade Group of
Land Force Western Area.

Established in 1883, it is the oldest military unit in Vancouver,
British Columbia, Canada.

It parades at the Beatty Street Drill Hall at the corner of Dunsmuir
and Beatty in Downtown Vancouver. The regiment has been variously
designated as garrison artillery, rifles, infantry, and armoured, but
has been reconnaissance since 1965.

It has received forty battle honours in its history, and has been a
formation of the Royal Canadian Armoured Corps since 1942.
To read the full story please click on the line below :

http://www.sikhchic .com/article- detail.php? cat=23&id= 2739

also read
http://fateh. sikhnet.com/ sikhnet/news. nsf/NewsArchive/ C9E656DF0B2B2DD9 8725723500730CB7

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Dartmouth, Canada

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Capt Amarinder asks Makkar to explain Rs 1.62 cr fuel expense in a y

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:10 pm (PDT)

Capt Amarinder asks Makkar to explain Rs 1.62 cr fuel expense in a year

Punjab Newsline Network

Tuesday, 13 September 2011

CHANDIGARH: Punjab Pradesh Congress Committee President Capt
Amarinder Singh today asserted that the Akalis will have to account
for each and every rupee of the SGPC funds they squandered away
without any accountability. He asserted, the SGPC president Avtar
Singh Makkar must explain where did he spend Rs 1.62 crore during
last year, he claims to have spent on transport during one year.

Capt Amarinder revealed that not only had SGPC shown the Darbar Sahib
at a loss of Rs 23 crores last year, for the next year also they have
projected a deficit of about Rs 15 crores. Moreover, he asserted,
Makkar cannot escape the accountability for the whopping Rs 1.62
crores on transport.

The PCC President asked as how was it that the SGPC had projected the
Rs 15 crore deficit for the Darbar Sahib for the next year. He
pointed out, SGPC’s income cannot be estimated in advance as it
depends on the number of pilgrims who pay obeisance there and offer
donations. “It simply means that the Badals who control the SGPC by
proxy adjust the accounts in advance to show the deficits”, he pointed out.

The PCC president said, it was shocking and unprecedented that the
SGPC president had spent Rs 1.62 crore on fuel for transport. He
pointed out, the SGPC president is entitled to a single car. “This
amount calculates to Rs 44,000 per day”, he pointed out, while
asking, “it is simply unbelievable and needs to be probed
thoroughly”. He said, the SGPC presidents are there to serve the
institution not to indulge in luxury.

Referring to the Deputy Chief Minister Sukhbir Singh Badal’s
statement that the Gurdwaras are not meant for profits or losses,
Capt Amarinder retorted, that does not mean these are allowed to be
looted and robbed by the people like Badals, controlling these.

http://www.punjabne wsline.com/ content/capt- amarinder- asks-makkar- explain-rs- 162-cr-fuel- expense-year/ 33236

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Centre to reassess its stand on Anand Marriage Act issue

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:11 pm (PDT)

Centre to reassess its stand on Anand Marriage Act issue
Aditi Tandon/TNS

New Delhi, September 13
Amid hectic lobbying by the political tribe of Punjab, which is
united in its demand for registration of Sikh marriages under the
existing Anand Marriage Act, 1909, the Centre is working to
reconsider its stand of entirely dropping the proposal.

Law Minister Salman Khursheed has called for a comprehensive report
on the history of the Anand Marriage issue, including all
representations ever made to the government on the matter and the
legislative proposals submitted in this respect.

“I am trying to understand why for so long the issue kept coming up
and dying down. I have asked my ministry to give me a comprehensive
note on the matter, its history, the representations, draft Bill for
the suggested amendment and related submissions. We will take it from
there,” Khursheed told The Tribune.

He had yesterday assured the visiting former Punjab Chief Minister
and Punjab Pradesh Congress Committee (PPCC) president Amarinder
Singh of positive movement in the matter. The PPCC in a press
statement today said Khursheed had assured the visiting state
Congress delegation that “necessary measures had been initiated and
the process would be completed very soon.”

The minister had earlier extended similar assurances to Akali and
Congress MPs who had met him over the issue, which has snowballed
into a political controversy since The Tribune reported a fortnight
ago that the Centre had decided to drop the amendment proposal.

So far as the issue goes, it is rooted in the problems which over 50
lakh Sikh NRIs and over two crore Sikhs face during migration abroad
and generally in respect of wedding registrations. While their
marriage certificates describe them as Hindus, they claim to
represent a sovereign Sikh religion. “The Anand Marriage Amendment
Act simply seeks to end this confusion by incorporation of a
provision that allows the registration of Sikhs marriages performed
as per Anand Karaj rites. Any religion that claims sovereignty must
have its own ceremonies of birth, marriage and death,” senior Supreme
Court advocate HS Phoolka explained.

At present, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains register marriages under the
Hindu Marriage Act, 1955. Followers of these religions are even
governed by Hindu Personal Laws like the Hindu Minority and
Guardianship Act, 1956; the Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act, 1956,
and the Hindu Succession Act.

Christians, Parsis and Muslims on the other hand have their separate
laws, namely Christian Marriage Act, 1872; Parsi Marriage and Divorce
Act, 1936; and the Mohammaden Marriages and Divorces Registration
Act, 1876. The latter allows optional registration of marriages.

The Sikhs for their part have always sought a separate law to
register marriages but their demand got bolstered in 2006 when the
apex court directed state governments to mandatorily register
marriages. It was then that MP Tarlochan Singh moved in the Rajya
Sabha a proposal to amend the Anand Marriage Act to allow for
registration of Sikh marriages.

The proposal was unanimously recommended by the Parliamentary
Committee on Law on December 4, 2007, after the then Law Secretary KN
Chaturvedi told the panel (The Tribune has minutes of the said
meeting) that the government had no problems with amending the Anand
Karaj Act nor had it received any objection from any other community
in this respect. Subsequently, two Law Ministers HR Bhardwaj and
Veerappa Moily assured Sikhs of a Bill to this effect.

After Khursheed’s reverse stand, the community again finds itself on
the edge and demands are resurfacing to amend Article 25 of the
Constitution which guarantees the Right to Religion.

http://www.tribunei ndia.com/ 2011/20110914/ main5.htm

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Lady beats gender bias, wins property battle

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:11 pm (PDT)

Lady beats gender bias, wins property battle
AMIT ROY
[]

Indarjit Singh outside Parliament in London on Tuesday. (AFP)

London, Sept. 13: The new Sikh peer, Indarjit
Singh, today gave his full moral backing to a
daughter who had challenged her fatherТs will
that left almost his entire г870,000 estate to
his three sons and cut out his three girls.

Now that a judge has ruled in favour of Balvinder
Kaur Ahluwalia, the property of her late father,
Ranjit Singh, a Sikh, will be shared equally between his six children.

Two of the daughters, including Balvinder, had
received г20,000 each in the will while the third was left nothing.

Lord Singh, considered the Уvoice of British
SikhsФ and himself the father of two daughters,
said the law (Indian custom and practice) Уis
absolutely discriminatoryФ and should be changed as soon as possible.

The 79-year-old peer, who has been promoting Sikh
values on BBC Radio 4Тs Thought for the Day for
28 years and is henceforth to be known as УThe
Lord Singh of WimbledonФ, expressed disapproval
of the attitude of BalvinderТs brothers: УTo
think this has happened to Sikhs –Ц women are supposed to be equal to men.Ф

Although British governments are willing to be
accommodating to Sharia law, they are not willing
to allow Sikhs and Hindus the same degree of
latitude, especially as their women are now more
willing to fight for their rights.

The dispute turns on whether, in Asian culture in
general and Sikh culture in particular, daughters
are supposed to be looked after at marriage
through dowries and other gifts but family
property, particularly land and houses, is
protected by being left only to sons.

Although this may well have been custom and
practice in India and Pakistan, it runs counter
to equal rights and sex discrimination
legislation in Britain. Increasingly, daughters
are willing to tolerate rifts with their brothers to fight for their rights.

Ranjit Singh, of Crawley, West Sussex, had died
in his 70s in March 2009, leaving almost his
entire estate to his three sons: Jarnail, Ajaib and Jugdeep.

The pensioner had come from a poor Punjabi
village but lived frugally on emigrating to the
UK, worked for British Bakeries and, in his will,
signed in 1999, left an estate valued at г872,890.

Balvinder, a 42-year-old shipping solicitor, and
another sister went to court and disputed the
willТs validity. They said that two individuals,
who were supposed to have witnessed the fatherТs
signature, were not present at the same time, as the law requires.

One of the brothers, Jarnail, who is also a
solicitor, argued that in line with Sikh
tradition, the eldest sons assume the main role
and daughters are treated as part of their
husbandТs family and provided for through large wedding dowries.

He got short shrift from Judge Mark Cawson QC,
who said there was Уthe strongest evidenceФ that
the legal formalities had not been complied with in this case.

Central to the judgeТs ruling was the evidence of
one of the witnesses to the will, the dead manТs
neighbour, Maurice Grantham. He admitted he and
the other witness were not present at the same time when the will was signed.

Judge Cawson said after the four-day hearing: УI
am conscious, and have kept fully in mind, that
the effect of this judgment is to frustrate Mr
SinghТs testamentary intentions, and the result
will be… an intestacy as there is no later will.Ф

On BalvinderТs decision to go to court, the judge
commented: УI gained the impression that the
present litigation is very much a mission on her
part to correct what she perceives to be
injustice and, sadly, there is plainly no love
lost between her and the brothers.Ф

The case has generated a heated debate in Britain.

One view, in support of the brothers, was: УHe
(the deceased) obviously wanted his money to stay
in his family; if the daughters had his money,
married and then divorced, some of this
gentlemanТs money would have gone to the womanТs
husband and so have left his family. I hope the
brothers challenge this awful decision and win their case.Ф

This invited an angry response: УSo, it seems you
think that if the brothers should happen to
divorce, none of the money will Сleave the
familyТ and be given to their wives? Also, we
donТt actually know the fatherТs wishes, because
there were not two (simultaneous) witnesses to
his signature, so there could have been skullduggery.Ф

http://www.telegrap hindia.com/ 1110914/jsp/ frontpage/ story_14505058. jsp

Jagpal S Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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8a.

All information on Indian Elections

Posted by: “J.S.Tiwana” tiwana@bellaliant.net

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:12 pm (PDT)

Thank u Professor Nirmal Singh ji for the kind words.
I added the link on my India site. This is mostly for the local
community of Halifax.
They mostly use the link when they have to reach the Air Port to
catch a plane or to receive a guest.

I hv another page for our Sikh Society http://maritimesikh society.com/ mss.html
The first page on it has mostly links for the Gurdwara Sangat, but if
you click on the ‘See Next Page’ and then click on the link Book
Reviews, you will also find a review f your very well researched
book. I hv collected on this page most of the reviews written by me.
I started this web site in April 1999 to commemorate the 300 the
anniv of the Khalsa on the suggestion of the then President Mr G S Toor.

I do not much advertise these sites as there are thousands better
sites on the Internet. My sitesy serve well for our local Hindu and
Sikh community. Most of the members of the Indian community here in
Halifax are on my mailing list. This is v much used by the community.
Whenever there is a community function or religious celebration or a
death in the community, I m approached to send the news. I also send
a copy of the news item to the local community I share with our forum members.

Regards

Tiwana
Dartmouth, Canada

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Re: Sehajdhari is in the 1925 Act

Posted by: “devinder1932” chahal.ius@gmail.com devinder1932

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:12 pm (PDT)

You believe that The Tribune cannot be wrong. So it be.

The fact is that Sehjdhari was Inserted by Punjab Act No. 1 of 1959 section 3 (4) in the Gurdwara Act 1925 after 34 years.

There is no question of acceptance of omission.

Rather you should realize that Sehjdhari is no word for a SIKH since SIKH means the one who is always learner of SIKHI.

I know the majority is on the side of Sehjdhari, you being the great protagonist, and it is easier to be a Sehjdhari than to be AMRITDHARI SIKH according to the definitions of Sehjdhari and Amritdharis given in the amendment of the act in 1959 and 1944, respectively.

If so then WHY WOULD ONE BECOME AMRITDHARI SIKH WHEN SEHKDHARI HAS ALL THE RIGHTS?

I request all the SIKHS to think over this situation seriously and define who is a SIKH.

Regards,
Devinder Singh Chahal
Canada

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> Dear Dr. Chahal ji
> Please do not complicate it. The discussion is about
> Sehajdharis, The whole issue in the media is about Sehahdharis’
> right to vote. You challenged the Tribune report that it was not
> there in the 1925 Act. I said no it is there in the act and Khush Ram
> a Sehajdhari was elected from Multan. I also cited a clause from the
> 1925 Act. You should gracefully accept ur omission.

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Re: Sehajdhari is in the 1925 Act

Posted by: “cjs sidhu” csidhu1uk@yahoo.co.uk csidhu1uk

Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:39 am (PDT)

Dear All,
Sat Sri Akal.
Do weа realise how the passage of time fashioned the meaning ofа “Sehajdhari” .

This sort of division has been with us for too long,а over hundred years.а

In 1909 for e.g. Max A Macauliffeа in The Sikh Religion Vol 1 wrote:-

“There are two great divisions of Sikhs, Sahijdharis and Singhs. The latter are those who accept the baptism inaugurated by Guru Gobind Singh,…

All other Sikhs are called Sahijdharis. The Singhs, after the time of Guru Gobind Singh, werse all warriors, the Sahijdharis those who lived ease, as the word denotes, and practised trade or agriculture. ( some say that the Sahijdharis received their name from the promises of certain Sikhs in the time of Guru Gobind Singh, that they would not accept his baptism at the time, but they would GRADUALLY do so).

In the Singhs are included the Nirmalals and Nihangs. The Sahijdharis include the Udasis founded by Sri Chand, son of Guru Nanak; the Ramraiyas,followers of Ram Rai, son of Guru Har Rai; the Handalis,… andа other sect of minor importance.”а ( Ch 2а of Introduction page 1ii)

Can youа see my point ? How out-datedа this term “Sahijdhari” has become. More importantly, what has it achieved?
Historically, we lost almost everything. Yet, we don’t let it go!а
It seems as soon as our numbers increase to more then a hand fullа division starts. Here in main cities of Australia, when Sikhs were few in numbers, there was unity,а recently as the numbers go up so do their divisions. From being Sikhs (of all types) now they are only with/without long hair, Malay/Singapore with/without turban, England wale’ and of course division by Punjabi district down toа village name .

If we must define – who is a Sikh?
Something along the lines….’As a follower of Sri Guru Grunth Sahib as his only guru,а a male Sikh calls himself aа ‘SINGH’ and female Sikh is a ‘KAUR’
should suffice.
If a confirmation is required, we all carry aа passport, ID card or driving licence.а

Regards.

Charanjit Singh
(UK, Currently in Australia)

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You believe that The Tribune cannot be wrong. So it be.

The fact is that Sehjdhari was Inserted by Punjab Act No. 1 of 1959 section 3 (4) in the Gurdwara Act 1925 after 34 years.

There is no question of acceptance of omission.

Rather you should realize that Sehjdhari is no word for a SIKH since SIKH means the one who is always learner of SIKHI.

I know the majority is on the side of Sehjdhari, you being the great protagonist, and it is easier to be a Sehjdhari than to be AMRITDHARI SIKH according to the definitions of Sehjdhari and Amritdharis given in the amendment of the act in 1959 and 1944, respectively.

If so then WHY WOULD ONE BECOME AMRITDHARI SIKH WHEN SEHKDHARI HAS ALL THE RIGHTS?

I request all the SIKHS to think over this situation seriously and define who is a SIKH.

Regards,
Devinder Singh Chahal
Canada

— In Sikh-Diaspora@ yahoogroups. com, “J.S.Tiwana” <tiwana@…> wrote:
>
> Dear Dr. Chahal ji
> Please do not complicate it. The discussion is about
> Sehajdharis, The whole issue in the media is about Sehahdharis’
> right to vote. You challenged the Tribune report that it was not
> there in the 1925 Act. I said no it is there in the act and Khush Ram
> a Sehajdhari was elected from Multan. I also cited a clause from the
> 1925 Act. You should gracefully accept ur omission.

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Posted by: “virinder g” vsgrewal48895@yahoo.com vsgrewal48895

Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:12 pm (PDT)

Dear Members,

The following line from the hymn of Guru Amardas in Raag Bihagra Ki Vaar has been translated by at least 5 translations as a bottle of liquor and cup etc, while the meaning IMHO is that an individual is brought in to this world inundated by lower instincts (Maya) and stays like that unless he/she follows the teachings of the Guru.

риори╛ригри╕рйБ ринри░ри┐риЖ риЖригри┐риЖ риори╛ригри╕рйБ ринри░ри┐риЖ риЖриЗ рее
One person brings a full bottle, and another fills his cup.

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